The Optispan Podcast with Matt Kaeberlein

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  • Brain Disorder Expert: Tackling Alzheimer's & Other Brain Disorders with LITHIUM
    • 10/15/24

    Brain Disorder Expert: Tackling Alzheimer's & Other Brain Disorders with LITHIUM

    Matt and psychiatrist Jon Berner chat about the potential of lithium, a generic drug typically used as a mood stabilizer in illnesses such as bipolar disorder, as an Alzheimer's disease and/or life extension drug. They discuss the data supporting lithium's potential effectiveness in preventing premature dementia, practical considerations and challenges around lithium dose optimization, and possible biological mechanisms that explain lithium's effectiveness. They also delve into the various challenges of studying lithium's effects on humans as well as useful further directions for lithium research.

    Jon has been in solo psychiatric practice at Woodinville Psychiatric in Washington since 1997. He spent several years working at the Monroe Correctional Complex, a Washington State Department of Corrections prison. His specialties include brain disorders, particularly bipolar and psychotic illnesses, complex pain, addiction, and "undiagnosed" neuropsychiatric syndromes, and other general psychiatric disorders such as anxiety and depression. Jon has published multiple scientific papers about various topics in the realm of mood disorders and treatments for them. He holds an M.D and a PhD in neuroscience from the University of California, Los Angeles and a B.A. in psychology from Harvard University.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Lithium treatment extends human lifespan: findings from the biomedical database UK Biobank

    According to this study, lithium supplementation correlates with an over threefold decrease in mortality among people suffering from affective disorders such as mania and bipolar depression, compared to those who use other anti-psychotic drugs. The study does not go into the likely molecular mechanisms by which lithium might extend human lifespan.

    Disease-modifying properties of long-term lithium treatment for amnestic mild cognitive impairment: randomised controlled trial

    In a randomized, double-blind trial, 45 patients suffering from mild cognitive impairment received either lithium or a placebo over the span of a year. The trial found a correlation between lithium use and lower cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) concentrations of phosphorylated tau (p-tau), an Alzheimer's disease biomarker. Researchers speculate that lithium may be more beneficial for individuals suffering from mild, as opposed to severe, cognitive impairment.

    A triple drug combination targeting components of the nutrient-sensing network maximizes longevity

    This study suggests that the combination of trametinib, rapamycin, and lithium increases longevity in flies by nearly 50 percent. Combining the drugs (combinations: lithium + rapamycin, lithium + trametinib, rapamycin + trametinib) extended lifespan by an average of 30 percent, compared to an average lifespan extension effect of 11 percent for each drug in isolation.

    Gene-expression differences in peripheral blood between lithium responders and non-responders in the Lithium Treatment-Moderate dose Use Study (LiTMUS)

    There exists considerable variability in the clinical response to lithium. This study identified a specific pattern of gene expression in individuals who responded to one month of lithium treatment, with the gene expression changes being related to mechanisms including autophagy regulation, neurite outgrowth, and mitochondrially-mediated apoptosis. The researchers identified differential regulation of 62 genes in people who responded compared to those who didn't respond to lithium treatment.

    Lithium treated mood disorders, paroxysmal rhinorrhea and mesial temporal lobe epilepsy

    Jon authored this paper presenting evidence for the effectiveness of lithium in mood stabilization via two case studies of mood disorders. In the first, lithium helped control shoplifting and major discrete cycles in a woman suffering from bipolar II disorder. In the second, lithium contributed to mood stabilization in a prison inmate suffering from chronic depression, though the drug also brought about side effects such as diarrhea and sudden attacks of rhinorrhea.

    Amyloid-Tau-Neurodegeneration (ATN) Profile

    This is the blood biomarker for Alzheimer's disease pathology that Matt and Jon discuss in the podcast episode.

  • Scientists Debate How to Live Longer & Longevity Drugs | 55 - Charles Brenner
    • 8/7/24

    Scientists Debate How to Live Longer & Longevity Drugs | 55 - Charles Brenner

    Matt and City of Hope Alfred E. Mann Family Foundation Chair of Diabetes and Cancer Metabolism Charles Brenner have had several public disagreements on social media. We love a good conversation between two distinguished scientists whose views may not entirely align, so we were pleased to host Charles on the Optispan Podcast for a discussion of topics in geroscience ranging from whether sirtuins are actually longevity regulators to the clinical utility of epigenetic age tests to the incentive structures around clinical trials. We also spent a chunk of time on NAD+ boosters, one of Charles' areas of expertise, and their relevance to aging and other conditions such as COVID-19.

    Prior to his City of Hope appointment, Charles served on the faculties of Thomas Jefferson University, Dartmouth College and University of Iowa, where he was Roy J. Carver Head of Biochemistry for 11 years. He currently serves as the Chief Scientific Advisor of the biotechnology company ChromaDex, which uses his nicotinamide riboside (NR) intellectual property. He is also a cofounder of Alphina and Juvenis, companies in the NAD+ booster space. Charles conducted postdoctoral research at Brandeis University and received a PhD and a B.A. from Stanford University and Wesleyan University respectively.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Discoveries of nicotinamide riboside as a nutrient and conserved NRK genes establish a Preiss-Handler independent route to NAD+ in fungi and humans

    This 2004 paper, which Charles coauthored, is a foundational paper in the NAD+ literature that describes the NR pathway in yeast and humans.

    Nicotinamide riboside promotes Sir2 silencing and extends lifespan via Nrk and Urh1/Pnp1/Meu1 pathways to NAD+

    Charles coauthored this paper describing two NR pathways that boost NAD+ and demonstrating that NR increases yeast sir2 activity and lifespan without caloric restriction.

    Targeted, LCMS-based Metabolomics for Quantitative Measurement of NAD(+) Metabolites

    This paper describes methods that Charles' group developed as well as technical challenges for quantifying targeted NAD+ metabolites.

    Sirtuins are Not Conserved Longevity Genes

    Matt and Charles spend some time on a nuanced discussion of sirtuins in this episode, and Charles expresses his grave doubts about claims in the sirtuin literature outside of yeast replicative aging. In 2022, Charles published this paper documenting issues in the animal sirtuin literature as well as providing a working definition of conserved gene function.

    RAPAMUNE labeling document

    In discussing his concerns with human off-label rapamycin use, Charles cites this RAPAMUNE labeling document along with Blake Rasmussen's randomized clinical trial showing that rapamycin inhibits skeletal muscle protein synthesis after exercise. Charles does consider the premise of the geroscience hypothesis—the idea that the biological processes underlying aging are the root cause of many chronic diseases and conditions commonly associated with aging such as cardiovascular disease, diabetes, Alzheimer's disease, and cancer—to be proven in mice based on the activity of rapamycin.

    The papers below discuss the effects of dysregulated NAD+ metabolism on various conditions:


    Type II diabetes: Nicotinamide Riboside Opposes Type 2 Diabetes and Neuropathy in Mice

    Alcohol-Related Liver Disease: Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide Metabolome Is Functionally Depressed in Patients Undergoing Liver Transplantation for Alcohol-Related Liver Disease

    Postpartum conditions: Maternal Nicotinamide Riboside Enhances Postpartum Weight Loss, Juvenile Offspring Development, and Neurogenesis of Adult Offspring

    Heart failure: Nicotinamide Riboside Preserves Cardiac Function in a Mouse Model of Dilated Cardiomyopathy

    Mitochondrial Myopathy: Niacin Cures Systemic NAD + Deficiency and Improves Muscle Performance in Adult-Onset Mitochondrial Myopathy

    Coronavirus infection: Coronavirus infection and PARP expression dysregulate the NAD metabolome: An actionable component of innate immunity

    Charles cites a number of positive NR human trials that, in his view, strongly support the use case of NR in healthy aging. We list some of those trials below:

    Trials showing anti-inflammatory effects of NR: A Milestone Clinical Study Reveals that Elevating Nicotinamide Adenine Dinucleotide (NAD+) with Nicotinamide Riboside (NR) Supplementation Effectively Reduces Inflammation in Both Healthy Subjects and Immune Cells Derived from Psoriasis Patients (Charles serves as Chief Scientific Advisor of Chromadex)

    The NICE trial for peripheral artery disease: Nicotinamide riboside for peripheral artery disease: the NICE randomized clinical trial

    The NADPARK trial for Parkinson’s disease: The NADPARK study: A randomized phase I trial of nicotinamide riboside supplementation in Parkinson's disease

  • The Benefits of Protein Restriction, How Protein Affects Hormones & FGF21 | 52 - Cristal Hill
    • 7/25/24

    The Benefits of Protein Restriction, How Protein Affects Hormones & FGF21 | 52 - Cristal Hill

    Matt recently attended the 52nd annual meeting of the American Aging Association in Madison, Wisconsin and met with several people doing fascinating work in or adjacent to the geroscience field.

    One of these was Cristal Hill. Cristal is an Assistant Professor of Gerontology at the University of Southern California Leonard Davis School of Gerontology, where she runs a lab focused on how dietary protein might affect adipose tissue (body fat) function, metabolic, and endocrine health during aging. Cristal received postdoctoral training at the Pennington Biomedical Research Center of Louisiana State University, a PhD in molecular biology from Southern Illinois University, and a B.S. in Animal Sciences from Tuskegee University.

    In this episode, Matt and Cristal discuss fibroblast growth factor 21 (FGF21), a hormone produced mainly in the liver that helps regulate metabolism and control how the body uses sugar and fat for energy. They also chat about FGF21's influence on food preferences, role in healthy aging and longevity, potential as an obesity treatment, and more, as well as the broader impact of protein restriction on health- and lifespan as we age.

    Some definitions: the term "wildtype" refers to the typical form of an organism or gene as it occurs in nature, and represents the standard or normal genetic makeup and phenotype against which mutants or genetically modified organisms are compared. A "knockout" is an organism in which a specific gene has been completely disabled or "knocked out" to study the gene's function by observing the differences between the knockout organism and a wildtype one. Finally, a "transgenic" organism is one that has had a gene or genes introduced into its DNA to give the organism new traits or abilities, such as resistance to diseases, or to study the effects of the introduced gene.

    As far as we can tell, FGF21 tests are not yet commercially available.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    The Hill lab

    If you're an aspiring undergraduate researcher, PhD or MD student, postdoc, potential collaborator, or even just someone who wants to know more about what Cristal and her team get up to, here's where you can go to learn all about Cristal's lab at the University of Southern California. On this page you'll find a comprehensive list of the Hill lab publications, some of which deal with the topics that Cristal and Matt discuss in this podcast. You can also read a summary of the Hill lab's research interests.

    The starvation hormone, fibroblast growth factor-21, extends lifespan in mice

    This paper presents data showing a fairly impressive lifespan extension of ~30% and ~40% in male and female mice respectively after overexpression of fibroblast growth factor-21, or FGF21. Caloric restriction brings about a similar lifespan extension. The authors suggest that the mechanism behind this effect could involve the growth hormone/insulin-like growth factor-1 signaling axis. FGF21 administration may produce some adverse effects, such as reduced bone mass.

    FGF21 is required for protein restriction to extend lifespan and improve metabolic health in male mice

    Cristal and Matt discuss this research in the podcast episode. Cristal is the lead author on this paper demonstrating the effects on protein restriction on male mice, which include lower frailty, functional decline, body weight, and adiposity; improved physical performance and glucose tolerance; altered biomarkers in the liver, adipose tissue, and blood; and longer lifespan. The paper demonstrates the essential role of FGF21 in bringing about the lifespan extension effect of protein restriction in mice: mice without FGF21 do not respond favorably to protein restriction.

    FGF21 prevents low-protein diet-induced renal inflammation in aged mice

    In this paper, Cristal and colleagues demonstrate how a low-protein diet impacts aging kidneys as well as the degree to which FGF21 mediates those effects. Mice lacking FGF21 had greater kidney damage and inflammation as a result of protein restriction than mice with FGF21, suggesting that FGF21 may help prevent kidney pathology. Interestingly, protein restriction does not seem to have adverse effects on aging kidneys in humans.

    FGF21 Signals Protein Status to the Brain and Adaptively Regulates Food Choice and Metabolism

    This study, also from the Hill lab, presents data about the role of FGF21 in energy metabolism and nutrient preferences, or feeding behavior, in mice undergoing protein restriction. FGF21 is responsible for changes in protein appetite, growth, glucose intolerance, and more in response to a low-protein diet.

  • Stem Cells, Aging Hallmarks & Rapamycin | 49 - Kevin White
    • 7/15/24

    Stem Cells, Aging Hallmarks & Rapamycin | 49 - Kevin White

    Matt recently attended the 52nd annual meeting of the American Aging Association in Madison, Wisconsin and met with several people doing fascinating work in or adjacent to the geroscience field.

    One of these was Kevin White, physician at longevity-focused clinic Prime Health Associates in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Kevin spent two decades in emergency medicine before obtaining fellowship training in integrative and functional medicine, nutrition, and age management. He complete residency training in emergency medicine and trauma at Washington University in St. Louis, and received his M.D. from the University of Oklahoma College of Medicine. Matt describes him as "one of the few longevity docs who actually comes to the science meetings to learn more about the science of aging."

    Ultimately, the geroscience field is nothing without the medical professionals who bring new discoveries to bedside. So we really enjoyed sitting down with Kevin and hearing his thoughts on interventions such as stem cell therapy as well as his questions about the geroscience field, which prompted a wide-ranging discussion of rapamycin, the hallmarks of aging, body composition, and more.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Testing Efficacy of Administration of the Antiaging Drug Rapamycin in a Nonhuman Primate, the Common Marmoset

    Adam Salmon, whom Matt mentions in the podcast, is a coauthor on this paper about rapamycin administration in the common marmoset, a small-sized nonhuman primate. Marmosets received rapamycin for a short time period (3 months) and a long time period (14 months). The marmosets did not appear to suffer from clinical anemia, fibrotic lung changes, or mouth ulcers as a result of rapamycin dosing, and death rates did not differ from expected death rates given the marmosets' ages.

    Long-term treatment with the mTOR inhibitor rapamycin has minor effect on clinical laboratory markers in middle-aged marmosets.

    This study, which Adam Salmon also coauthored, examined the effects of rapamycin administration on marmoset blood biomarkers, with a view to understanding how rapamycin might affect marmoset aging. Nine months of rapamycin dosing had little impact on cellular blood counts, and rapamycin concentrations were higher in male marmosets compared to female marmosets. The authors concluded that this particular dose and duration of rapamycin administration likely does not produce detrimental effects on hematological biomarkers in marmosets.

    Evaluation of off-label rapamycin use to promote healthspan in 333 adults

    Matt and colleagues, including Optispan Chief Medical Officer George Haddad, collected self-reported data from over 300 adults with a history of off-label rapamycin use to capture data about the drug's potential side effects. The only side effect that was significantly more prevalent in rapamycin users compared to non-users was the presence of mouth sores, and several side effects typically associated with rapamycin use such as eye pain and anxiety occurred less frequently in rapamycin users than in non-users.

    Rapamycin (AY-22,989), a new antifungal antibiotic I. Taxonomy of the producing streptomycete and isolation of the active principle

    Published in 1975, this landmark paper describes the discovery of a new antifungal antibiotic called rapamycin, and characterizes rapamycin's morphological, physiological, and cultural properties and the streptomycete strain that produces it. It details the isolation of the streptomycete strain AY B-994 from an Easter Island soil sample as well as the strain's antimicrobial activity.

    A masked, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial evaluating safety and the effect on cardiac function of low-dose rapamycin in 17 healthy client-owned dogs

    Matt coauthored this paper exploring the effects of rapamycin administration on canine heart function. Seventeen healthy dogs received low-dose rapamycin over a six-month period. The researchers found no significant change, positive or negative, in the dogs' cardiac function, and no adverse effects. Some dog owners reported "positive changes" in their dogs' behavior with rapamycin administration, but these changes were subjective and difficult to characterize.

  • How Pregnancy Affects Aging, New Model Organisms for Aging Research, HRT | 43 - Berenice Benayoun
    • 6/25/24

    How Pregnancy Affects Aging, New Model Organisms for Aging Research, HRT | 43 - Berenice Benayoun

    Matt recently attended the 52nd annual meeting of the American Aging Association (AGE) in Madison, Wisconsin and met with several people doing fascinating work in the longevity field.

    One of these was Berenice Benayoun, an Associate Professor (recently tenured!) of Gerontology, Biological Sciences, Biochemistry, and Molecular Medicine at the University of Southern California Leonard Davis School of Gerontology. Berenice delivered the keynote speech at the 2024 AGE meeting, where she received the 2024 Vincent Cristofalo Rising Star Award in Aging Research. Her research focuses on the influence of genomic regulation mechanisms, environmental stimuli, and factors such as biological sex on vertebrate aging and healthspan. Berenice was named a 2020 Pew Biomedical Scholar and a 2021 Nathan Shock new Investigator, and also received the 2019 Rosalind Franklin Young Investigator Award in Mammalian Genetics, an American Federation of Aging Research Junior Faculty Award, and a Global Consortium for Reproductive Longevity and Equality GCRLE Junior Scholar Award.

    In this episode, Matt and Berenice chat about the ovaries as a vehicle for understanding aging, the difference between estropause and menopause, and the controversies associated with hormone replacement therapy, and how Berenice made her way into the lab of her dreams. They also discuss the African turquoise killifish, a new vertebrate model organism for longevity research, and address a couple of questions about research we have recently featured on this podcast (how pregnancy affects aging, and sex-specific differences in the effects of estradiol on mouse aging).

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    The Benayoun Lab

    The Benayoun lab at the University of Southern California Leonard Davis School of Gerontology is looking for postdoctoral fellows, PhD students, undergraduate researchers interested in uncovering the molecular regulation of vertebrate aging. If you might be one of them, or simply want to learn more about what Berenice and her colleagues do, check out this page to find papers that have come out of the Benayoun lab, the lab's funding sources and affiliations, courses that Berenice is teaching, and more.

    Microglia undergo sex-dimorphic transcriptional and metabolic rewiring during aging

    This paper, which Berenice coauthored with colleagues, demonstrates that aging of the microglia—a type of immune cell located in the brain—occurs differently in male and female mice. More aging-associated changes happen in the microglia of female than in those of male mice, and these differences are particularly evident in old microglia compared to young microglia. The study outlines potential mechanisms that underpin these microglial changes.

    Protection against APOE4-associated aging phenotypes with the longevity-promoting intervention 17α-estradiol in male mice

    In this preprint, Berenice and colleagues examined the effect of 17α-estradiol, a type of estrogen, on outcomes in male mice with an age-accelerating allele called apolipoprotein E4 (APOE4). This allele is a major genetic risk factor for Alzheimer's disease and age-related cognitive impairment. The researchers found that 17α-estradiol administration to APOE4 mice conferred healthspan benefits across various systems. You may recall our discussion of the Interventions Testing Program’s finding that 17α-estradiol extends lifespan in male mice.

    Estropausal gut microbiota transplant improves ovarian function in adult mice

    Transplanting things—blood, ovaries, poop—can have surprising beneficial effects on aging. This preprint, which Berenice coauthored, found that mice receiving gut microbiota transplants experienced better fertility and ovarian health. They also identified clear differences between the gut microbiota of young and old mice as well as specific gut microbes that may be responsible for the improvements observed with transplants.

    Menopause Is More Than Just Loss of Fertility

    Berenice and Benayoun lab PhD Clayton Baker co-wrote this article reviewing the surprising negative effects of menopause on cognitive function, bone mass, and cardiovascular disease risk. They make the case for paying attention to biological differences between men and women and the resulting differences in drug pharmacokinetics in both genders, and for addressing limitations in women's health such as a lack of female representation across the age spectrum in interventional clinical trials.

  • Solving the "Lack" of Anti-aging Discovery & Ranking Current Interventions | 42 - Mark  McCormick
    • 6/18/24

    Solving the "Lack" of Anti-aging Discovery & Ranking Current Interventions | 42 - Mark McCormick

    Matt recently attended the 52nd annual meeting of the American Aging Association in Madison, Wisconsin and met with several people doing interesting work in the longevity field.

    One of these was Mark McCormick, an Assistant Professor at the University of New Mexico (UNM) Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. At UNM, Mark runs a lab that investigates age-delaying drug targets, develops machine learning tools for studying aging, and identifies conserved aging mechanisms and pathways in model organisms and humans. Mark previously completed a postdoc with Brian Kennedy at the Buck Institute for Research on Aging, a PhD in Biochemistry and Molecular Biology with Cynthia Kenyon at the University of California, San Francisco, and a B.S. in Mechanical Engineering as well as a B.S. in Biology from the University of Texas at Austin.

    In this episode, Matt and Mark chat about aminoacyl-tRNA synthetases, a group of enzymes that play an essential role in protein synthesis. They discuss the promise and risks of tRNA synthetase inhibitors to treat diseases of aging and extend life- and healthspan (spoiler: don't take tRNA synthetase inhibitors yet). They also talk about why Mark's lab has held off on doing mouse experiments thus far, the challenges of proving causality in longevity experiments, interventions about which Mark is optimistic (or not), and more.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    McCormick lab

    If you're an aspiring undergraduate researcher, PhD student, postdoc, collaborator, research sponsor, or even just someone who wants to know more about what Mark and his team get up to, here's where you can go to learn all about Mark's lab at the University of New Mexico. Many who know Mark can attest to the care and effort he puts into mentoring the next generation of scientists. On this page, you will also find a comprehensive list of Mark's lab publications from which you can learn more about some of the topics he discusses in this podcast (and more).

    Induction of proteasomal activity in mammalian cells by lifespan-extending tRNA synthetase inhibitors

    Mark coauthored this paper discussing a potential mechanism of action of tRNA synthetase inhibitors to increase lifespan. The researchers demonstrate that tRNA inhibitors may upregulate pathways that promote protein turnover, specifically proteasomal degradation and autophagy, a process of breaking down damaged proteins and other cellular components. Protein turnover is essential for maintaining cellular function and homeostasis, and disruptions in protein turnover can contribute to various diseases via the accumulation of damaged or misfolded proteins or the excessive degradation of functional proteins.

    Cytosolic and mitochondrial tRNA synthetase inhibitors increase lifespan in a GCN4/atf-4-dependent manner

    This paper, which Mark also coauthored, demonstrates lifespan extensions in both yeast and worms as a result of tRNA synthetase inhibitors. The study hypothesizes that these inhibitors act in yeast by upregulating the translation of General Control Nonderepressible 4 (Gcn4), a crucial yeast transcription factor that regulates the expression of genes required for amino acid biosynthesis and stress adaptation. Meanwhile, tRNA synthetase inhibitors act in worms in an Activating Transcription Factor 4 (ATF4)-dependent manner. ATF4 is a mammalian transcription factor that plays a key role in the cellular response to various forms of stress.

    Roles of tRNA metabolism in aging and lifespan

    This review provides an overview of how tRNA metabolism, including tRNA transcription, tRNA molecules, tRNA modifications, tRNA aminoacylation (where tRNA-synthetase comes in), and tRNA derivatives, influences aging and lifespan.

    Acarbose improves health and lifespan in aging HET3 mice

    Matt and Mark discuss the merits of acarbose, an antidiabetic drug that slows carbohydrate digestion and absorption, as a potential longevity intervention in this podcast episode. This study is one of several reporting lifespan increases in mice receiving acarbose, with some sex differences. The field doesn't yet have a lot of data about the effects of acarbose on human longevity.

  • Supplement Industry Secrets: What They Aren't Telling You About NAD+ & NMN | 39 - George Sutphin
    • 6/6/24

    Supplement Industry Secrets: What They Aren't Telling You About NAD+ & NMN | 39 - George Sutphin

    George Sutphin is back! So many of you enjoyed Matt's interview with him back in March 2024 about 3HAA and NAD+ that we decided to bring him on the podcast once again to chat about the potential effects of oral NMN supplementation.

    You may have heard of over-the-counter supplements aimed at boosting nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+) levels. Underlying these supplements is the hypothesis that levels of NAD+, a central coenzyme found in all living cells and involved in innumerable biochemical reactions that include DNA repair, glycolysis, and stress responses, decrease with age. The decrease, according to supplement manufacturers, may be associated with aging and age-related disease and thus restoring NAD+ levels via supplementation is likely to increase health- and/or lifespan.

    In this episode, Matt and George examine a recent finding that oral supplementation of NAD+ boosters increases molecular signatures that indicate kidney damage. They discuss the NAD+ signaling pathway, models for how NAD+ might drive kidney damage, how they would expand upon the study for further research, and more.

    University of Arizona Assistant Professor of Molecular and Cellular Biology George Sutphin runs a lab that investigates genetic determinants of longevity, the effects of kynurenine-based interventions on lifespan, and environmental regulators of the aging process. George, who was an aerospace engineer before he discovered the promise of geroscience, completed his PhD at the University of Washington and worked as a postdoctoral associate at the Jackson Laboratory prior to his current faculty position. He currently serves as Chairperson of the American Aging Association.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!


    Metabolite accumulation from oral NMN supplementation drives aging-specific kidney inflammation

    This is the preprint Matt and George discuss in the episode. The authors found that, contrary to their expectations that NAD+ boosters would help ameliorate kidney aging in mice, an NAD+ booster actually led to increased levels of potential kidney damage markers. These results do not conclusively demonstrate a negative effect of NAD+ boosters on kidney health, but there's smoke there, as Matt says, and the finding is worth further investigation.

    NAD precursors cycle between host tissues and the gut microbiome

    The gut microbiome seems to play a role in many biological processes, including NAD+ biosynthesis and metabolism. This paper suggests that the gut microbiome breaks down NAD+ intermediates such as nicotinamide riboside and nicotinamide mononucleotide into nicotinic acid, which you may know by its generic name niacin. Cells then generate NAD+ from nicotinic acid.

    SS-31 and NMN: Two paths to improve metabolism and function in aged hearts

    The NMN-kidney inflammation paper that Matt and George discuss in this episode has roots in this piece of research, which shares several authors with the later paper. Researchers administered two mitochondria-targeting drugs, including the NAD+ precursor NMN, to mice and found that treating mice with a combination of both drugs restored various aspects of mitochondrial and heart health.

    Nicotinamide mononucleotide increases muscle insulin sensitivity in prediabetic women

    How might NAD+ precursors such as NMN affect people? This study reported that overweight or obese prediabetic women who had undergone menopause showed improved muscle insulin sensitivity and insulin signaling with NMN supplementation. They also experienced higher levels of downstream muscle NMN metabolites, or nicotinamide byproducts.

    Kynurenine pathway, NAD+ synthesis, and mitochondrial function: Targeting tryptophan metabolism to promote longevity and healthspan

    This paper, which George co-authored, provides a useful review of the kynurenine pathway, a major metabolic pathway for the degradation of the amino acid tryptophan that ends in the production of either kynurenic acid or NAD+. He reviews the potential roles of NAD+ and kynurenine metabolism in aging and the potential of interventions targeting components of these pathways.


  • AI vs Aging: Why Wormbot-AI is the secret weapon against disease | 29 - Mitchell Lee
    • 5/3/24

    AI vs Aging: Why Wormbot-AI is the secret weapon against disease | 29 - Mitchell Lee

    No single discipline or approach holds the key to making big strides in the longevity field. Human aging is incredibly complex, and we're going to need multiple shots on goal in our pursuit of human life- and healthspan extension. At the Optispan Podcast, we're always excited to learn about the various angles researchers and founders are taking to advance our understanding of longevity and get impactful therapeutics that will transform human health into the clinic.

    In this episode, Ora Biomedical CEO and cofounder Mitchell Lee gives us the lowdown on doing high-throughput drug discovery using a combination of worms, robotics, AI, and the general public. Matt and Mitchell talk about the company's ambitious goal to create the world's largest and most rigorous database of longevity interventions, and how a new robotics and AI data analysis platform is helping the company get there. They discuss the state of drug discovery in the longevity field, whether we can really believe any data we get from worms, the intervention that killed all their worms in one day, and more.

    Prior to cofounding Ora Biomedical, Mitchell spent his career focused on scientific research and mentorship, mentoring nearly 50 trainee researchers of all levels during his graduate and postdoctoral research periods. He was the founding Chair of the American Aging Association (AGE) trainee chapter, which offers early-career financial, career development, and networking benefits, and has served on the AGE Executive Committee and Board of Directors. Mitchell received a B.S. in biology, a B.A. in philosophy, and an M.S. in biology from Western Washington University. He completed his PhD in Experimental Pathology at the University of Washington School of Medicine, during which time he received a Howard Hughes Medical Institute (HHMI) Gilliam Fellowship for Advanced Study.

    Matt is a cofounder and Chair of the Board of Directors of Ora Biomedical.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    WormBot: A high-throughput system for studying aging in C. elegans

    This animation explains the mechanics of the WormBot-AI platform in a clear and accessible way.

    The million-molecule challenge: a moonshot project to rapidly advance longevity intervention discovery

    In this article, Mitchell, Matt, and their colleagues propose the Million Molecule Challenge, a plan to screen one million interventions in C. elegans, a nematode worm, for their effects on longevity. They describe their reasoning for using C. elegans as a model organism as well as the WormBot-AI robotics platform they have developed to facilitate this high-throughput screening. They also present a proof-of-principle screen of 1,266 compounds that they completed in one month using their WormBot-AI technology.

    The Million Molecule Challenge for Life Extension - Matt Kaeberlein at Longevity Summit Dublin

    Matt spoke at the Longevity Summit Dublin 2023, a gathering of researchers, founders, and other leaders in the longevity field, about moving longevity science into clinical practice, how close we are to "solving aging", and what we need to make an impact in the field. About halfway through the talk, he talks about the Million Molecule Challenge: why C. elegans are a reasonable model organism with which to study aging, how much of the intervention space we have explored, and why we need a Million Molecule Challenge at all. He also presents a time-lapse video of the WormBot-AI technology, an AI and robotics platform for studying the effect of interventions on C. elegans, in action.


    Using C. elegans for aging research

    This short article reviews the history of using C. elegans in geroscience research. It also discusses several reasons that C. elegans is a suitable model organism for studying aging, such as cost, short lifespans, and evolutionary conserved lifespan pathways; as well as the disadvantages of using C. elegans in geroscience research, including a lack of complexity in the organism and limits to biochemistry due to the worms' small size.

    Rise of the WormBots: it’s time to scale up longevity R&D

    Longevity.technology profiled Ora Biomedical and interviewed Mitchell about the company's development strategy, scale of operations, and plans for the future. Mitchell describes his aim to get from longevity biotech 1.0 to longevity biotech 2.0: "discovering the next generation, most efficacious interventions".

  • Inside this Non-profit's AMAZING Strategy to Fight Aging | 27 - Dylan Livingston
    • 4/25/24

    Inside this Non-profit's AMAZING Strategy to Fight Aging | 27 - Dylan Livingston

    We talk a lot about the science of longevity and healthspan on the Optispan podcast—how DEXA scans work, what an optimal rapamycin dose might look like, how the intersection of optogenetics and mitochondria are helping us understand biological aging, what supplements one might consider taking and why.

    But the longevity field runs on way more than just science. It takes a village—a community of researchers, engineers, entrepreneurs, investors, regulators, and beyond who believe in the value of tackling the biology of aging as a crucial strategy for extending healthy lifespan—to create tangible results that benefit as many people as possible. At Optispan, we're eager to support and interact with the many levers that keep this machine going. One of these is the Alliance for Longevity Initiatives (A4LI), a nonprofit organization focused on catalyzing social and political action that will benefit the longevity field.

    In this episode, Matt chats with A4LI founder, president, and CEO Dylan Livingston about forming a bipartisan longevity science caucus, redirecting funding towards geroscience research, and engaging with policymakers to help them understand the importance of transitioning towards a proactive healthcare model. Dylan, who founded A4LI in 2021, served as a field organizer for President Joe Biden's 2020 presidential campaign. He also worked as a community organizer for Organizing Corps 2020, where he registered hundreds of Democratic voters in Pennsylvania for the 2020 presidential compaign. Dylan graduated from Haverford College with a B.S. in physics and a minor in economics.

    Matt joined the A4LI Board of Directors in 2024.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Longevity Gets Political at an Unprecedented DC Event

    Lifespan.io, a nonprofit organization that aims to help accelerate discovery in the aging field through journalism, crowdfunding, and community building, profiled a two-day congressional briefing on longevity science held at Washington, D.C.'s Mayflower Hotel in April 2024. The event included presentations from Matt and other longevity biotech startup founders such as Kristen Fortney (BioAge) and Joe Betts-Lacroix (Retro Biosciences). Attendees also heard from former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich, Republican Congressman Gus Bilirakis, and Democratic Congressman Paul Tonko.

    A Policymaker’s Guide the Longevity Therapeutics Industry

    This guide serves as a primer on the ever-evolving longevity space for policymakers. It describes the dominance of aging as a risk factor in chronic diseases such as cancer and diabetes, the thesis behind the geroscience approach, and recent academic and industry initiatives in longevity medicine. It also addresses several arguments for and against tackling age-related diseases and lifespan—think overpopulation, economic disparity, and the "unnaturalness" of longer lifespans—and ends with concrete steps that policymakers can take to help advance the field.

    The Advanced Approval Pathway for Longevity Medicines

    This document proposes a special approval track for longevity medicines to accelerate the development process for drugs that tackle the biological aging process. It includes standards for designating a therapeutic as a longevity medicine and solutions for overcoming status quo barriers such as a priority review voucher system and patent term extensions.

    How can ARPA-H be a transformative agency to advance the development of biotechnology that targets human aging?

    The Advanced Research Projects Agency for Health (ARPA-H) is a National Institutes of Health (NIH) entity that aims to accelerate the development of transformative solutions to our greatest health challenges. The agency provides funding to support high-impact, high-risk, high-reward research in the private and public sectors under the leadership of a Program Manager who champions a core idea and uses their subject matter expertise to see the idea to fruition. This post provides several examples of how ARPA-H might support the longevity field.

    Make Your Voice Heard: Contact Your Representative on Behalf of Longevity Science

    A4LI has prepared a letter template for you to use in the event that you want to request that your congressperson provides support to longevity initiatives. You are welcome to customize the letter as you see fit, and may email A4LI at info@a4li.org if you need any assistance, such as contact information for your congressional office, to send the letter.

  • How "light-sensitive" proteins are being used to fuel scientific discovery | 25 - Brandon Berry
    • 4/18/24

    How "light-sensitive" proteins are being used to fuel scientific discovery | 25 - Brandon Berry

    Optogenetics is a cutting-edge field at the intersection of optics and genetics. This technique introduces microbial opsins, light-sensitive proteins naturally found in certain microorganisms such as algae and bacteria, into specific organelles, cells, or tissues to make them sensitive to light and thus precisely manipulable. Optogenetics has served as a powerful tool in neuroscience research, enabling scientists to dissect complex neural circuits and understand how they give rise to behavior, cognition, and disease; and is expanding its reach to other fields such as endocrinology, vision restoration, and muscle physiology.

    In this episode, researcher Brandon Berry chats with Matt about the development and application of optogenetic tools to manipulate mitochondrial function in cells. He shares his experiences with engineering optogenetic proteins for mitochondrial targeting, the challenges involved in controlling mitochondrial charge, and the potential of optogenetics to manipulate mitochondrial membrane potential. He also discusses the complexities of mitochondrial dysfunction, the relationship between mitochondrial dysfunction and aging, and the role of mitochondrial membrane potential in longevity interventions, including caloric restriction.

    Brandon, who is currently working on a stealth project, was a former postdoctoral research associate in Matt's lab at the University of Washington, where he did a lot of his work on developing tools for mitochondrial control. He received a PhD in Physiology from the University of Rochester.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Why Are Cells Powered by Proton Gradients?

    This article discusses biochemist Peter Mitchell's model of proton gradients' role in cellular respiration. Proton gradients power the synthesis of adenosine triphosphate (ATP, an energy-providing nucleotide), providing a crucial mechanism for cellular metabolism. The article also explores how reliance on proton gradients might have constrained the evolution of complexity until the advent of eukaryotic cells, which harnessed mitochondria to control these gradients and may have facilitated the leap to multicellular life forms. Mitchell's proposition, though initially controversial, ultimately earned him a Nobel Prize and reshaped our understanding of cellular energy production.

    Optogenetic control of mitochondrial metabolism and Ca2+ signaling by mitochondria-targeted opsins

    This article describes an optogenetic approach that enables precise control of mitochondrial membrane potential through light-dependent activation of channelrhodopsins—light-sensitive proteins—targeted to the inner mitochondrial membrane. The method offers insights into cellular processes without the drawbacks of conventional pharmacological interventions.

    Optogenetic control of mitochondrial protonmotive force to impact cellular stress resistance

    Brandon is the lead author on this paper describing the engineering of an optogenetic technique for increasing the proton gradient, or protonmotive force, in worm mitochondria. "Charging up" mitochondria in this way has several beneficial effects for mitochondria, including increased resistance to toxins, better ATP synthesis, and hypoxia resistance.

    Optogenetic rejuvenation of mitochondrial membrane potential extends C. elegans lifespan

    In the podcast, Brandon discusses lifespan experiments he conducted to assess the impact of optogenetic mitochondrial manipulation on longevity. This study presents his finding that optogenetically controlling mitochondria slows aging and improves measures of healthspan in worms.

    Extending lifespan by rejuvenating mitochondrial membrane potential - Dr Brandon Berry

    Brandon chats with Eleanor Sheekey of The Sheekey Science Show about his mtON tool and its effects on worm lifespan. He provides an introduction to mitochondria ("the best organelles ever") and its role in cells, discusses the potential role of mitochondria in aging and age-related biological processes such as cellular senescence, offers some advice for aspiring academics, and more.


  • “Zombie” Senescent cells may play HUGE role in LIVING LONGER, Here's How: | 22 - Natalia Mitin
    • 4/11/24

    “Zombie” Senescent cells may play HUGE role in LIVING LONGER, Here's How: | 22 - Natalia Mitin

    Senescent cells, cells that cease to divide and proliferate while remaining metabolically active, are a complex and intriguing aspect of biological aging. They serve as both a protective mechanism against cancer, preventing damaged cells from uncontrollable replication, as well as a contributor to tissue dysfunction and age-related pathologies such as cardiovascular disease, neurodegenerative disorders, and diabetes. The precise mechanisms that underlie senescence and its contributions to the aging process remain areas of ongoing investigation and debate.

    In this episode, Matt chats with Sapere Bio co-founder and CEO Natalia Mitin about measuring cellular senescence, using those measurements in the clinic, and the complex and heterogeneous role of cellular senescence in aging and disease. They also discuss Natalia's personal experiences using rapamycin off-label to improve energy levels and immune function, the importance of monitoring biomarkers when using off-label medications, and Natalia's thoughts on "rapamycin for all".

    Prior to co-founding Sapere Bio, Natalia served as an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill's Department of Pharmacology. She spent over two decades developing assays for use in cancer research. She holds a B.S. in chemical engineering from the Mendeleev Institute for Chemical Technology and a PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology from Bowling Green State University.

    Optispan uses the SapereX test in its healthspan optimization program.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Clearance of p16Ink4a-positive senescent cells delays ageing-associated disorders


    This seminal paper demonstrated a potential causal link between cellular senescence and various aging phenotypes. Removing senescent cells exhibiting the kinase inhibitor and senescence biomarker p16 delayed the onset of age-related phenotypes in mouse skeletal muscle, adipose, and eye tissues.

    Naturally occurring p16 Ink4a-positive cells shorten healthy lifespan


    This paper, which shares several authors with the previous one, showed that clearing senescent cells impeded tumor and cataract formation as well as age-related deterioration of organs and tissues including kidney, heart, and fat in mice. It also extended lifespan in mice from two different genetic backgrounds that were eating different diets.

    Senolytics improve physical function and increase lifespan in old age

    If you want to prematurely age a mouse, give it a senescent cell transplant. Transplanting senescent cells into young mice led to physical dysfunction, the spread of cellular senescence to host tissues, and reduced survival in mice. Selective elimination of senescent cells via senolytic therapy alleviated these negative effects and increased survival after treatment by 36%.

    Expression of p16(INK4a) in peripheral blood T-cells is a biomarker of human aging

    This study found an association between the kinase inhibitor and senescence biomarker p16 and human chronological age. It also found a more rapid increase in p16 expression with older age in those who smoked compared with those who didn't smoke, a finding consistent with other evidence for tobacco smoke's age-accelerating effects; as well as a relationship between the expression of p16 and interleukin-6 (IL-6), a cytokine that plays an important role in cell signalling and can serve as a biomarker of inflammation.


    A quantitative model for age-dependent expression of the p16INK4a tumor suppressor


    This paper presents results from computational modeling of p16+ cellular senescence dynamics in healthy people. The model revealed how the p16 accumulation rate changes with chronological age and lifestyle factors such as smoking and exercise habits.

  • Uncovering New Longevity Research DISCOVERIES: The Power of 3HAA Revealed | 12 - George Sutphin
    • 3/6/24

    Uncovering New Longevity Research DISCOVERIES: The Power of 3HAA Revealed | 12 - George Sutphin

    University of Arizona Assistant Professor of Molecular and Cellular Biology George Sutphin runs a lab that investigates genetic determinants of longevity, the effects of kynurenine-based interventions on lifespan, and environmental regulators of the aging process. George, who was an aerospace engineer before he discovered the promise of geroscience, completed his PhD at the University of Washington and worked as a postdoctoral associate at the Jackson Laboratory prior to his current faculty position. He currently serves as Chairperson of the American Aging Association.

    We sat down with George to talk about his research, including the effects of caffeine on lifespan and, more recently, his discovery of a new metabolite with the ability to greatly extend lifespan when given late in life. We also discuss George's thoughts on biological age clocks, his own healthspan optimization protocol, and much more.

    The probiotic George mentions taking in this podcast episode is Garden of Life Probiotics Ultimate Care.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Caffeine extends life span, improves healthspan, and delays age-associated pathology in Caenorhabditis elegans

    This paper began as a side project during George’s PhD work at the University of Washington. It showed that caffeine extended life- and healthspan in nematode worms, and also had positive effects on pathologies such as paralysis in a worm model of polyglutamine disease. The paper attracted a lot of interest, perhaps because it seemed to justify people’s coffee-drinking habits. No conclusive evidence about caffeine’s effects on human lifespan currently exists.

    Lifespan extension in Caenorhabditis elegans by complete removal of food

    What is the optimal amount of food to give worms so that they’ll live longer? According to this study, which also came out of George’s PhD at the University of Washington, the answer is no food at all. This paper found that completely taking away worms’ food in adulthood increased lifespan by up to 50%. While a starvation protocol like this one is unlikely to work in humans, these findings add an interesting set of data points to evolving research into how diet affects longevity in humans.

    Dietary restriction by bacterial deprivation increases life span in wild-derived nematodes

    This study was a follow up to the previous paper and investigates the effects of dietary restriction on the lifespan of wild worm populations collected from various locations worldwide. The results indicate that bacterial food deprivation extends lifespan across multiple wild C. elegans (a worm species) populations. Additionally, the longevity-enhancing effects of bacterial food deprivation are conserved in a related worm species, C. remanei. The study highlights the potential impact of genetic and environmental factors on worm lifespan variation and suggests that food-deprivation-induced lifespan extension may be a characteristic of wild-derived nematode populations.

    Caenorhabditis elegans orthologs of human genes differentially expressed with age are enriched for determinants of longevity

    This paper came out of George’s time at the Jackson Laboratory. The researchers conducted an RNA interference (RNAi) longevity screen on 82 genes in C. Elegans, chosen based on their orthology to human genes that show age-related changes in expression. Their results revealed a significant enrichment in genes where knockdown increased lifespan compared to previously published longevity screens, with 46 genes being newly identified as impacting lifespan. Knockdown of these genes, which included genes that encoded the enzyme kynureninase, a tetraspanin, and a voltage-gated calcium channel subunit, increased healthspan with no effects on reproduction. The kynureninase gene knockdown specifically delayed pathology in worm models of Alzheimer's and Huntington's diseases.

    The Emerging Role of 3-Hydroxyanthranilic Acid on C. elegans Aging Immune Function

    3-hydroxyanthranilic acid (3-HAA) is a metabolite within the kynurenine pathway, a metabolic pathway involved in the breakdown of the amino acid tryptophan. The kynurenine pathway plays a crucial role in various physiological processes, including immune response regulation, neurotransmitter synthesis, and inflammation modulation. This paper showed that the 3HAA appeared to slow age-associated immune function decline in addition to helping mice fend off pathogenic challenges. 3HAA is not sufficiently well-understood to be a candidate for supplementation in humans.

  • Flaws in the Healthcare System, Preventative Medicine, and Next-Gen Healthcare (Part 2)
    • 2/10/24

    Flaws in the Healthcare System, Preventative Medicine, and Next-Gen Healthcare (Part 2)

    Optispan CEO Matt Kaeberlein chats with Prime Health Associates Physician Kevin White about making the transition from research to building a company, moving towards preventative medicine in the 21st century, incorporating new discoveries into medical practice, and more.

  • Flaws in the Healthcare System, Preventative Medicine, and Next-Gen Healthcare | 2 - Kevin White, MD
    • 2/10/24

    Flaws in the Healthcare System, Preventative Medicine, and Next-Gen Healthcare | 2 - Kevin White, MD

    Optispan CEO Matt Kaeberlein chats with Prime Health Associates Physician Kevin White about improving bloodwork results, monitoring glucose readings, taking supplements, and more.

  • Flaws in the Healthcare System, Preventative Medicine, and Next-Gen Healthcare (Part 3)
    • 2/10/24

    Flaws in the Healthcare System, Preventative Medicine, and Next-Gen Healthcare (Part 3)

    Optispan CEO Matt Kaeberlein chats with Prime Health Associates Physician Kevin White about the future of personalized healthcare and why understanding the biology of aging is crucial to improving human health.

  • Rapamycin's Impact on Oral Health & its Relationship to Aging | 5 - Jonathan An, DDS, PhD
    • 2/10/24

    Rapamycin's Impact on Oral Health & its Relationship to Aging | 5 - Jonathan An, DDS, PhD

    Matt and guest Jonathan An, Assistant Professor of Oral Health Sciences at the University of Washington School of Dentistry, discuss oral health and its relationship to aging, including published studies involving rapamycin effects on oral health. This is a 3-part episode.


    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Aging and Oral Health with Dr. Jonathan An!

    Our guest, Assistant Professor of Oral Health Sciences and Faculty in the Healthy Aging and Longevity Institute at the University of Washington School of Dentistry Jonathan An, recently appeared on Lets Get Oral, a podcast that explores oral health from multiple angles—think the oral microbiome, taste, bad breath. In this episode, Jonathan talks about how our teeth change as we get older, the potential impact of medications on oral health, why he supports taking a more systemic approach to dental care, and more.

    Oral health in geroscience: animal models and the aging oral cavity

    Animal models are indispensable tools for studying the biology of aging. They provide insight into underlying mechanisms of aging, enable scientists to test interventions that promote healthy aging, and advance our understanding of age-related diseases. While animal models have their limitations, their use in research allows for controlled experimentation and the generation of valuable data that can ultimately benefit human healthspan and longevity. Jonathan and our host Matt Kaeberlein co-authored this journal article about which animal models are best suited for studying the intersection of aging and oral disease. They discuss rodents, the current premier preclinical models for geroscience research, as well as dogs and nonhuman primates such as the southern pig-tailed macaque.

    Rapamycin rejuvenates oral health in aging mice

    In 2020, Jonathan and Matt demonstrated that rapamycin treatment rejuvenated the aged oral cavity of older mice. The treatment reversed "clinically defining features of periodontal disease", including periodontal bone loss, periodontal inflammation, and pathogenic oral microbiome changes. This paper lends support to the idea that interventions that target mechanisms of biological aging may delay multiple age-related declines. Further work should investigate whether the rejuvenating effects of rapamycin persist after the treatment period as well as whether rapamycin improves other oral health declines that commonly occur with age, such as salivary function.

    Oral health for healthy aging

    This article calls for an end to the siloing of oral health from general health care. The authors note that the global prevalence of oral disease is higher than it should be, given the preventable nature of most oral diseases, and that this prevalence is likely to worsen with population aging. They make suggestions for concrete policy action and mindset shifts towards addressing the burden of oral disease care, including shifting dental care models away from curative and interventionist models and towards more preventative upstream action.

    Aging and Dental Health

    This is a short primer from the American Dental Association about the clinical and oral health context of older adults. By one estimate, 68 percent of adults aged 65 years and older have periodontis. The primer covers comorbid conditions; the potential impact of common medications for age-related conditions on oral health; and cognitive, physical, and sensory limitations affecting dental care and home oral care.

  • Rapamycin's Impact on Oral Health & its Relationship to Aging (Part 2)
    • 2/14/24

    Rapamycin's Impact on Oral Health & its Relationship to Aging (Part 2)

    Matt and guest Jonathan An, Assistant Professor of Oral Health Sciences at the University of Washington School of Dentistry, discuss oral health and its relationship to aging, including published studies involving rapamycin effects on oral health. This is a 3-part episode.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Aging and Oral Health with Dr. Jonathan An!

    Our guest, Assistant Professor of Oral Health Sciences and Faculty in the Healthy Aging and Longevity Institute at the University of Washington School of Dentistry Jonathan An, recently appeared on Lets Get Oral, a podcast that explores oral health from multiple angles—think the oral microbiome, taste, bad breath. In this episode, Jonathan talks about how our teeth change as we get older, the potential impact of medications on oral health, why he supports taking a more systemic approach to dental care, and more.

    Oral health in geroscience: animal models and the aging oral cavity


    Animal models are indispensable tools for studying the biology of aging. They provide insight into underlying mechanisms of aging, enable scientists to test interventions that promote healthy aging, and advance our understanding of age-related diseases. While animal models have their limitations, their use in research allows for controlled experimentation and the generation of valuable data that can ultimately benefit human healthspan and longevity. Jonathan and our host Matt Kaeberlein co-authored this journal article about which animal models are best suited for studying the intersection of aging and oral disease. They discuss rodents, the current premier preclinical models for geroscience research, as well as dogs and nonhuman primates such as the southern pig-tailed macaque.

    Rapamycin rejuvenates oral health in aging mice

    In 2020, Jonathan and Matt demonstrated that rapamycin treatment rejuvenated the aged oral cavity of older mice. The treatment reversed "clinically defining features of periodontal disease", including periodontal bone loss, periodontal inflammation, and pathogenic oral microbiome changes. This paper lends support to the idea that interventions that target mechanisms of biological aging may delay multiple age-related declines. Further work should investigate whether the rejuvenating effects of rapamycin persist after the treatment period as well as whether rapamycin improves other oral health declines that commonly occur with age, such as salivary function.

    Oral health for healthy aging

    This article calls for an end to the siloing of oral health from general health care. The authors note that the global prevalence of oral disease is higher than it should be, given the preventable nature of most oral diseases, and that this prevalence is likely to worsen with population aging. They make suggestions for concrete policy action and mindset shifts towards addressing the burden of oral disease care, including shifting dental care models away from curative and interventionist models and towards more preventative upstream action.

    Aging and Dental Health

    This is a short primer from the American Dental Association about the clinical and oral health context of older adults. By one estimate, 68 percent of adults aged 65 years and older have periodontis. The primer covers comorbid conditions; the potential impact of common medications for age-related conditions on oral health; and cognitive, physical, and sensory limitations affecting dental care and home oral care.

  • Dentist Reveals Exciting Research Findings Involving Rapamycin on Oral Health | 5 - Jon An, DDS, PhD
    • 2/19/24

    Dentist Reveals Exciting Research Findings Involving Rapamycin on Oral Health | 5 - Jon An, DDS, PhD

    Matt and guest Jonathan An, Assistant Professor of Oral Health Sciences at the University of Washington School of Dentistry, discuss oral health and its relationship to aging, including published studies involving rapamycin effects on oral health. This is a 3-part episode.

    Check out the links below for further information and/or reading about some of the things we discussed in this podcast episode. Note that we do not necessarily endorse or agree with the content of these readings, but present them as supplementary material that may deepen your understanding of the topic after you listen to our podcast. This list is in no way exhaustive, but it’s a good start!

    Aging and Oral Health with Dr. Jonathan An!

    Jonathan recently appeared on Lets Get Oral, a podcast that explores oral health from multiple angles—think the oral microbiome, taste, bad breath. In this episode, Jonathan talks about how our teeth change as we get older, the potential impact of medications on oral health, why he supports taking a more systemic approach to dental care, and more.

    Oral health in geroscience: animal models and the aging oral cavity

    Animal models are indispensable tools for studying the biology of aging. They provide insight into underlying mechanisms of aging, enable scientists to test interventions that promote healthy aging, and advance our understanding of age-related diseases. While animal models have their limitations, their use in research allows for controlled experimentation and the generation of valuable data that can ultimately benefit human healthspan and longevity. Jonathan and our host Matt Kaeberlein co-authored this journal article about which animal models are best suited for studying the intersection of aging and oral disease. They discuss rodents, the current premier preclinical models for geroscience research, as well as dogs and nonhuman primates such as the southern pig-tailed macaque.

    Rapamycin rejuvenates oral health in aging mice

    In 2020, Jonathan and Matt demonstrated that rapamycin treatment rejuvenated the aged oral cavity of older mice. The treatment reversed "clinically defining features of periodontal disease", including periodontal bone loss, periodontal inflammation, and pathogenic oral microbiome changes. This paper lends support to the idea that interventions that target mechanisms of biological aging may delay multiple age-related declines. Further work should investigate whether the rejuvenating effects of rapamycin persist after the treatment period as well as whether rapamycin improves other oral health declines that commonly occur with age, such as salivary function.

    Oral health for healthy aging

    This article calls for an end to the siloing of oral health from general health care. The authors note that the global prevalence of oral disease is higher than it should be, given the preventable nature of most oral diseases, and that this prevalence is likely to worsen with population aging. They make suggestions for concrete policy action and mindset shifts towards addressing the burden of oral disease care, including shifting dental care models away from curative and interventionist models and towards more preventative upstream action.

    Aging and Dental Health

    This is a short primer from the American Dental Association about the clinical and oral health context of older adults. By one estimate, 68 percent of adults aged 65 years and older have periodontis. The primer covers comorbid conditions; the potential impact of common medications for age-related conditions on oral health; and cognitive, physical, and sensory limitations affecting dental care and home oral care.